Re-design of the Curse system


#46

Can you explain what you mean by “criminal record”? What’s a criminal record? As I understand it works like this: after a predetermined number of curses, as you explained, the “convicted” goes to donkey town and drops one curse for every hour of play. They continue, even after they get out of donkey town, to drop one curse for every hour of play with it the regular community. Let’s say… Jane Doe Eve gets cursed by three of her kids in one life. She continues to play and lives two more full lives. At the end of those two lives she’s dropped two of the three curses she picked up. Correct? So her “criminal record” would be the remaining curse she hasn’t yet dropped, is that what you mean?

That’s not at all what happened. I received two curses both from the griefer I killed and another person who, for all I know, was in cahoots with the griefer since, when the griefer was discovered that person refused to curse them.

No way did I get seven curses in 24 hours as that was the only cursing I’d experienced in the past week with the exception of being cursed once by a griefer I cursed several days ago.

It’s TOO EASY to use cursing as a method of griefing now, especially with people coordinating on discord. The problem was solved on the PC version with the original curse system. Why is the community here not finding it sufficient as it was? From my experience, they dont properly use it.

Jason was reluctant to introduce the curse system at all since he didn’t want to interfere and solve the community’s problems for them. He reluctantly agreed. Here, people are demanding easier and easier methods which are, quite frankly, ridiculous, and they are STILL complaining. Because they don’t want to kill the griefers themselves? Because their community isn’t engaging in using the cursing system properly and effectively.

If I got sent to freakin donkey town after TWO curses, and who knows, maybe they had their grandkids curse my dead body after I was gone, then for sure griefers are going to use it to their advantage. As they obviously did today. The system wasn’t broken before this last “fix” and now it is. People have mentioned positive points, some called it karma, before in these forums. Donkey town should be reserved for the worst of the worst. Not productive, skilled players who get attacked by griefers with the very thing that is supposed to protect the community FROM them.


#47

It’s ridiculous. I’m just gonna sit back To see how many of the people crying about stronger curses get turfed themselves and then watch as the REAL crying begins. Jason was reluctant to introduce cursing at all. But he did, and the community improved precisely because people used it properly. He THEN lessened the severity AND introduced deductions of curses for non-play time. Why? He felt the drama was lacking.


#48

Jason was reluctant because the curse system is a construct that doesn’t exist in real life. His argument for it is that reincarnation of bad guys also doesn’t exist in real life, but it exists in the game, so it needed to be balanced with curses (his meaning, my summary).

I have asked the dev in charge of the system to change the basis from calendar time to play time, so your “positive” play time will be weighed against your curses. The criteria will become something like “many curses per hour played” results in banishment. I think that will be more fair than “many curses per day (or week)”.
What do you think? (and what do the rest of you think?)


#49

IM SOHAPPY

IM BUYING THE ADDITIONAL CONTENT in the next update ;w;)w


#50

It’s enough to keep the term if curse system works right. However, griefers throw off their given curse now. The discussion of the punishment time has no meaning until they do that. I would like you to fix the player ID acquisition system and the curse system to work well.


#51

@YellowTail We are investigating that rumor too. So far, we have not seen any proof that players can reset their curse points, even though some say they can. There was an instance where a player with a black speech bubble managed to get spawned within inhabited area instead of in Donkey Town. That’s an error of the spawn logic in that case - not of the curse system. We may have to rewrite that part of the code to make sure it’s bullet proof (I’m sure everyone who complains about Eve spawn would love to see that happen too :smile:) . Anyway, the work continues…


#52

Yeah, definitely. :confused:


#53

All of the chatter on the forum countered Jason’s arguments about IRL to the point where he actually did implement the curse system. In real life we have police and courts and jails to remove criminals from society. In real life those people also get released from prison. Some reformed. Some bent on recidivism.

What differs is the curse system he introduced was the same one we were given on mobile (although you have to type the person’s name to curse them). You’ve redesigned it. Jason has also redesigned it. The difference now is he reduced the penalty system (at one point wondering if the drama was missing :joy:) and you’ve increased it and made it far too easy for normal players to get swept up and away. I just saw an Eve take a noob curse the other day (wondering what that button was for)! Pity on that player should they get a curse back from a griefer or a mistaken curse again!

I believe a fix like you suggest would/should make a huge difference and regular players won’t find themselves banished nor will griefers be able to use the curse system to grief. And, as long as each hour of regular game play continues to remove a curse then I don’t think we will ever see mistaken banishments. Thanks.

Ooh! What about an early warning system? Black text box for someone near the threshold of being sent to donkey town so the community knows when we are birthing griefers? !!!


#54

The current curse system quite literally makes me want to quit the whole game overall. It can be abused so easily.


#55

Did that happen to you, @WumboJumbo? Please share your experience.


#56

This is basically my exact experience @Christoffer.


#57

From what I heard, they rewrite their phone’s IMEI or something like that and reset their curse point. I don’t know how you recognize us and know it’s just a rumor.
Oh… is it serious? A player with black speech said the player had been cursed in the player’s previous life but it’s by mistake and the point is not over the threshold. And we swallowed it… I don’t know what the player do in the life but I don’t feel good.
Problems come after and another. We appreciate you working hard.


#58

荒らしに対しての処罰もいいけど免罪とか濡れ衣もどうにかしてほしい。
呪いは投票式がいいのでは?
それか呪いポイントを減らす機能とかもほしい。


#59

観察モードでの呪いと、生まれてすぐから呪う権限があればいいと思います。


#60

今ドンキータウンにいます(:anger:^ ω ^)
濡れ衣を着せられた人はドンキータウンから抜け出しやすくなるとかないんですかね…。


#61

When I tried to go out from a tutorial room, someone not only came into my room without saying anything but also “it” built an adobe oven base to disrupt my act. Then, I curse “it” but the curse doesn’t seem work. Is it normal work? I hate the disturbing behavior. So, I would like you to let curse work in tutorial or to make tutorial that never get disturbed by anyone.


#62

Can we make it that when you curse someone they can’t be born to you. And if you are an eve anyone cursed by you even in your past lives can’t be born into the bloodline.


#63

質問です。
6の「同じ人生でN回呪われたプレイヤーは、N回目の呪いでキャラクターが死亡」という機能はいつになったら実装されますか?
すべてのサーバーにおいて殺人行為ができるようになるとアナウンスがありましたが、それと同時にこの機能は追加されないのですか?

「平和のユリ」がアップデートにより追加されましたが、これはある程度村が発展しないと作ることができません。殺人行為は村の発展度合いには関係なく起こります。

「平和のユリの碑」で狭い範囲にいるプレイヤーを守ることより、6に書かれた機能を追加してくれたほうが、多くのプレイヤーの安全を守れると私は考えます。


#64

ココ最近、呪いのシステムを使った悪用化が増えてます。

殺人も何も起こしてない無実の人が、他の人達のイタズラによって追放するという荒らし行為があります。

呪いのシステムの付け方を改善して欲しいです。

もし、殺したら呪いのシステムが発動し、それ以外の場合は呪いのシステムは表示されないようにするとかして欲しいです。

作業の邪魔とかほかの人達に被害がない場合は、呪いとか使うのはやめて欲しいと思います。

その時は、話し合いとかで解決して更に効率化して欲しいです。

でも、荒らし行為目的のイタズラの場合は別でなにかお仕置きが出来るように考えて欲しいです。


#65

I think I got false reported.

I spawned in and in two different lives, my mom left me to die. The third life I spawned into a village but spawned to death. The fourth life, I was an Eve, had a child, the child ran away and I got bit by a rattlesnake but I died because I was banished. What did I do??

I’ve seen people accidentally curse others or just do it cause they are mad at the player. This was also in US-Beginner so I didn’t kill anyone. This isn’t really fair. :confused: @Christoffer